1 00:00:08,420 --> 00:00:17,190 [Music] 2 00:00:25,479 --> 00:00:20,679 welcome to shattered reality with your 3 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:25,489 hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to 4 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:28,520 have your paradigm shifted in the truths 5 00:00:38,380 --> 00:00:34,510 questioned and now shattered reality 6 00:00:40,299 --> 00:00:38,390 well another day another interview how 7 00:00:43,209 --> 00:00:40,309 you do in their fur ocean oh I'm just 8 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:43,219 fine Kate it's so nice to be here with 9 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:46,489 you on the vernal equinox oh that's true 10 00:00:51,279 --> 00:00:49,129 that's true leave well it is the 21st 11 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:51,289 it's the official beginning of spring 12 00:00:57,669 --> 00:00:54,320 and the 21st is usually the vernal 13 00:01:00,689 --> 00:00:57,679 equinox which is when the days and the 14 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:00,699 nights are exactly equal in length 15 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:05,210 starting tomorrow the the days will be 16 00:01:12,910 --> 00:01:09,340 slightly longer every day until around 17 00:01:15,310 --> 00:01:12,920 June 21st when I have the summer 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:15,320 solstice right and the long day and the 19 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:17,690 longest day of the year so we're at the 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:21,800 quarter point of the year today so as we 21 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:25,490 have said today is March 21st 2017 we're 22 00:01:31,750 --> 00:01:28,640 sliding and and it's great to be back 23 00:01:35,050 --> 00:01:31,760 here with you since our last podcast 24 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:35,060 which was really quite an event yes it 25 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:37,520 was and we have gotten a number of 26 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:40,760 comments on different sites and at 27 00:01:45,970 --> 00:01:43,150 different points in fact it was one I 28 00:01:47,020 --> 00:01:45,980 liked it to approve earlier today but 29 00:01:52,090 --> 00:01:47,030 I'll do it later 30 00:01:56,110 --> 00:01:52,100 yeah about our about our electronic 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:01:56,120 voice phenomenon that we recorded the 32 00:02:04,030 --> 00:02:00,770 EVP EVP was totally surprising too much 33 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:04,040 it came we had we record here on three 34 00:02:11,979 --> 00:02:07,910 channels one for Kate one for firoozeh 35 00:02:14,649 --> 00:02:11,989 that's me and one for our valued guests 36 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:14,659 and we've had now this is going to be 37 00:02:19,870 --> 00:02:17,329 the second Tom in a row but less less 38 00:02:24,250 --> 00:02:19,880 shows Tom was Tom Butler 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:24,260 of a trance see which is an organization 40 00:02:32,010 --> 00:02:28,010 that works with people who have lost 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:32,020 loved ones and finding electronic voice 42 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:36,050 phenomena whereby they may speak to them 43 00:02:42,190 --> 00:02:38,750 well we were very interested in what he 44 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:42,200 had to say and much to our astonishment 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:45,110 all three of us here at shattered 46 00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:48,410 reality podcast after Tom had hung up 47 00:02:59,650 --> 00:02:51,440 his line was dead 48 00:03:01,780 --> 00:02:59,660 Kate manifested it - [\h__\h] you moi you 49 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:01,790 manifested on your line 50 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:05,980 an electron an electronic voice 51 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:08,810 phenomenon yeah that was pretty amazing 52 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:11,930 that was pretty amazing yeah it was you 53 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:13,610 know you know I played it for a few of 54 00:03:20,140 --> 00:03:16,010 my friends and they have reported as 55 00:03:22,660 --> 00:03:20,150 similar incidents they was it Kathy was 56 00:03:25,810 --> 00:03:22,670 telling me about something on the GPS 57 00:03:28,350 --> 00:03:25,820 where a voice came out of the GPS you're 58 00:03:31,930 --> 00:03:28,360 lost you really have to go left and the 59 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:31,940 GPS in the auto was turned off and her 60 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:36,410 friend was riding with her and and said 61 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:38,000 yeah I heard it too you might as well go 62 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:40,370 left so they did as it turned out down 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:42,050 the street a major accident had just 64 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:44,930 occurred so you get these little stories 65 00:03:49,210 --> 00:03:47,270 from people once you tell them look this 66 00:03:52,270 --> 00:03:49,220 happened on the show and they'll go yeah 67 00:03:55,090 --> 00:03:52,280 this happened to me and then interesting 68 00:03:58,140 --> 00:03:55,100 yeah very uncanny 69 00:04:01,030 --> 00:03:58,150 well ours didn't give us a message but 70 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:01,040 the people that I played it for who 71 00:04:07,690 --> 00:04:04,730 might have had some experience with the 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:07,700 EVP phenomena when people were trying to 73 00:04:13,510 --> 00:04:11,090 get it to happen said ours was so clear 74 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:13,520 it was clear as a bell compared to the 75 00:04:19,599 --> 00:04:15,980 kind of scratchiness that that goes on 76 00:04:21,310 --> 00:04:19,609 hmm so I we hope that you will listen to 77 00:04:25,210 --> 00:04:21,320 that if you haven't listened to that or 78 00:04:26,890 --> 00:04:25,220 ready it's episode 45 and our EVP is at 79 00:04:31,330 --> 00:04:26,900 the end of it and we actually have 80 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:31,340 removed the EVP from the recording the 81 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:32,650 recording and we 82 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:35,410 have it on our website separately okay 83 00:04:40,379 --> 00:04:37,810 anyway we have a wonderful guest with us 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:40,389 today I believe yes we do and I'm going 85 00:04:48,570 --> 00:04:44,530 to introduce him now I think yes that's 86 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:48,580 mr. Tonko mwah yes we have today mm-hmm 87 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:53,410 the UF ufologist Tom Conwell who has 88 00:04:59,850 --> 00:04:56,440 been our electronic technician with the 89 00:05:03,330 --> 00:04:59,860 US Navy and with Honeywell Incorporated 90 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:03,340 for 42 years he has been a Honeywell 91 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:06,190 temperature control fire alarm and 92 00:05:13,050 --> 00:05:09,300 security software specialist a 93 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:13,060 biomedical engineer and he is a fire 94 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:17,020 alarm level 2 certified a meteorologist 95 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:22,479 and an HVAC engineering resource Tom has 96 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:25,690 wide-ranging expertise with a keen 97 00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:28,630 awareness of physics computer and 98 00:05:34,890 --> 00:05:32,280 Internet's no wasn't me 99 00:05:37,050 --> 00:05:34,900 internet software and a broad knowledge 100 00:05:42,089 --> 00:05:37,060 of electronics and how it intersects 101 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:42,099 with the paranormal world and UFOs so 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:45,310 Tom remains a vital scientific resource 103 00:05:51,570 --> 00:05:49,090 on extreme paranormal encounter response 104 00:05:54,990 --> 00:05:51,580 team and embraces the wealth of 105 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:55,000 information and theories that embody the 106 00:06:01,800 --> 00:05:58,930 title of ufologist so welcome Tom Kahn 107 00:06:04,589 --> 00:06:01,810 well thank you it's great to be here 108 00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:04,599 that's great you know it's been a long 109 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:06,820 time since we've spoken to someone about 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:09,610 UFOs yeah it's been a little while yeah 111 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:13,210 yeah it really has been so you know Tom 112 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:15,220 in my experience it's sort of all dried 113 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:17,020 up in the last few years have you found 114 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:19,630 that to be true or have you seen some 115 00:06:26,159 --> 00:06:24,220 interesting sightings lately ok broke up 116 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:26,169 in the very beginning I'm sorry of your 117 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:29,440 question can you give that sure I was 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:31,330 saying that the number of sightings 119 00:06:35,129 --> 00:06:33,370 recently has really gone down 120 00:06:39,020 --> 00:06:35,139 considerably I was wondering if you had 121 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:39,030 had any of my guess you're up in the 122 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:41,830 Albany type area if you had seen 123 00:06:47,999 --> 00:06:45,880 anything new up there I personally have 124 00:06:53,159 --> 00:06:48,009 no 125 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:53,169 I was I I got sick in January and I've 126 00:07:00,930 --> 00:06:55,570 been sort of out of the loop for quite a 127 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:00,940 few months but I'm back in the man you 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:03,070 know just just to go outside and scan 129 00:07:09,090 --> 00:07:06,610 the sky yeah like like I had been now I 130 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:09,100 have not noticed that there's a major 131 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:11,800 drop-off in sightings there was a very 132 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:15,910 slight drop off however the type of 133 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:21,130 sightings that are that are prevalent 134 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:24,940 around here in upstate New York is the 135 00:07:32,670 --> 00:07:28,000 the ones that look like balls of fire 136 00:07:35,010 --> 00:07:32,680 hmm they're actually spheres and a lot 137 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:35,020 of people call them spheres some people 138 00:07:39,749 --> 00:07:37,870 will call them fire balls and that's not 139 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:39,759 to be confused with a meteor which is 140 00:07:47,339 --> 00:07:43,870 also a fireball and there's this quite a 141 00:07:50,850 --> 00:07:47,349 few sightings of that in the upstate New 142 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:50,860 York area and in the southern New York 143 00:07:56,159 --> 00:07:52,320 area down around New York City 144 00:08:00,680 --> 00:07:56,169 especially in Long Island and the other 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:00,690 places out near Buffalo which is 146 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:04,810 bordering Lake Erie right so yeah 147 00:08:13,310 --> 00:08:07,300 there's plenty of sightings out that way 148 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:13,320 and probably more than more than you a 149 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:15,610 reasonable person would consider 150 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:18,370 reasonable I mean this is so many it's 151 00:08:24,570 --> 00:08:20,409 incredible let me ask you something 152 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:24,580 about the fireballs now we've all seen 153 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:26,530 shooting stars which are a type of 154 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:31,020 meteor coming into the atmosphere and 155 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:34,690 then there's a second type of fireballs 156 00:08:42,750 --> 00:08:38,430 which are called the February fireballs 157 00:08:46,190 --> 00:08:42,760 which have extended in past years into 158 00:08:49,019 --> 00:08:46,200 March now the February fireballs 159 00:08:52,290 --> 00:08:49,029 astronomically are thought to be also 160 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:52,300 meteors but they're much bigger much 161 00:08:58,829 --> 00:08:56,290 more fiery and they seem to appear to 162 00:08:59,510 --> 00:08:58,839 move more slowly through the atmosphere 163 00:09:03,250 --> 00:08:59,520 that 164 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:03,260 the smaller shooting stars are back in 165 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:06,450 2010 I think it was maybe it wasn't 2010 166 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:08,490 but it was it was about five years ago 167 00:09:14,990 --> 00:09:11,880 in any case I saw one of these giant 168 00:09:17,690 --> 00:09:15,000 February fireballs but it was on March 169 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:17,700 it was on March 5th and I did report it 170 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:21,600 to the new fork the the website which 171 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:24,480 you used to look for some of your 172 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:28,770 phenomena I believe and they said that 173 00:09:35,030 --> 00:09:32,220 it was indeed a meteor fireball which 174 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:35,040 had been seen entering the atmosphere as 175 00:09:43,580 --> 00:09:39,450 far away as Sweden its weeped over the 176 00:09:45,830 --> 00:09:43,590 the ocean passed over Greenland and 177 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:45,840 Newfoundland came down passed over 178 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:48,300 Connecticut and passed over me and in 179 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:50,490 New York New Jersey area where I did see 180 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:53,010 it and it glowed green and had a tail 181 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:55,230 and I thought it was gone I thought it 182 00:09:58,700 --> 00:09:56,610 was the end of the world frankly I 183 00:10:00,860 --> 00:09:58,710 thought it was going to come down right 184 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:00,870 near me and set everything on fire but 185 00:10:06,950 --> 00:10:02,750 apparently it finally came down 186 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:06,960 somewhere around West Virginia so now 187 00:10:11,060 --> 00:10:09,030 you're talking about a third kind of 188 00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:11,070 fireball or are we speaking about the 189 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:13,980 the kind of what we'll call the February 190 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:19,490 fireball okay well many many times 191 00:10:24,410 --> 00:10:22,040 fireballs are confused with meteors 192 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:24,420 meteors will strike the earth at between 193 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:26,370 thirty and sixty thousand miles per hour 194 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:30,570 and the actual amount of time that it 195 00:10:35,390 --> 00:10:33,630 would take for someone to see it the the 196 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:35,400 meteor would would disappear within 197 00:10:40,850 --> 00:10:38,100 three to four seconds sometimes 198 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:40,860 depending on how the angle of the meteor 199 00:10:46,820 --> 00:10:43,710 that hits the ground hits the atmosphere 200 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:46,830 a person may see it from possibly up to 201 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:49,530 ten seconds what I was referring to in 202 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:54,000 the fireball is is a ball of fire in the 203 00:10:59,710 --> 00:10:57,120 sky that goes very very slowly very 204 00:11:05,350 --> 00:10:59,720 similar to what an airplane travels and 205 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:10,100 perhaps then disappear but it would take 206 00:11:16,350 --> 00:11:13,750 quite some time for this to work 207 00:11:18,270 --> 00:11:16,360 her with someone looking at it from the 208 00:11:22,050 --> 00:11:18,280 from the from the ground 209 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:22,060 it may take perhaps four or five six 210 00:11:27,060 --> 00:11:24,970 seven minutes the ones that I saw lasted 211 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:27,070 about seven or eight minutes Wow 212 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:31,650 and this this wasn't a meteor believe me 213 00:11:42,510 --> 00:11:39,760 anything but the actual actually seeing 214 00:11:46,020 --> 00:11:42,520 this thing I got a good look at it 215 00:11:49,950 --> 00:11:46,030 through a pair of binoculars and seeing 216 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:49,960 it it almost looked like a fake fire 217 00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:53,050 when was this sighting of yours can you 218 00:12:00,540 --> 00:11:56,560 maybe start yeah roughly beginning about 219 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:00,550 the sighting your specific sighting okay 220 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:04,060 the sighting occurred going by memory 221 00:12:19,170 --> 00:12:07,780 here I believe it was the middle of May 222 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:19,180 of 2013 and I had seen to come over the 223 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:21,160 house and I saw them from the back of 224 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:22,690 the house but it wasn't getting a good 225 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:24,550 look at him so I walked through the 226 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:28,810 house and went to the front and in in 227 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:31,390 the front there were like really visible 228 00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:33,220 they were about the size of the moon 229 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:35,950 perhaps even the size of your thumbnail 230 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:39,730 at an arm's length and they were roaring 231 00:12:45,510 --> 00:12:41,800 balls of flame although they made no 232 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:45,520 noise and they traveled across the sky 233 00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:48,730 and angled upward and disappeared behind 234 00:12:54,930 --> 00:12:52,150 clouds now there were groups of them 235 00:12:58,260 --> 00:12:54,940 that came through in an echelon 236 00:13:00,960 --> 00:12:58,270 formation to came through initially and 237 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:00,970 I just saw the end of that another two 238 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:04,060 came through and then another two came 239 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:06,010 through and then there was a single one 240 00:13:14,579 --> 00:13:11,650 and then to it two more groups of two 241 00:13:17,550 --> 00:13:14,589 but I got an idea of where they were 242 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:17,560 sort of coming from and I was hoping 243 00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:19,690 that they weren't going to just go away 244 00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:21,790 at that point because I was staring at 245 00:13:28,390 --> 00:13:23,150 the sky 246 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:28,400 and they just appeared from black sky to 247 00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:31,790 brilliant orange just popped right on in 248 00:13:35,740 --> 00:13:34,040 the sky as I was looking right at the 249 00:13:39,460 --> 00:13:35,750 spot in the sky where they were coming 250 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:39,470 from it was just remarkable that that 251 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:43,250 almost makes me think of something that 252 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:46,270 would be in two-dimensional rather than 253 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:50,090 like something akin to a chemical rocket 254 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:54,890 coming into interview yes it this wasn't 255 00:14:01,090 --> 00:13:58,880 a rocket and there wouldn't have been 11 256 00:14:07,530 --> 00:14:01,100 of them following each other all making 257 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:07,540 exactly the same precise maneuver it in 258 00:14:17,470 --> 00:14:12,820 interdimensional I guess is possible but 259 00:14:19,420 --> 00:14:17,480 they are seen so many times around the 260 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:19,430 world and especially all along the east 261 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:24,710 coast yet I doubt if they're parading 262 00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:28,610 like this from an interdimensional way I 263 00:14:34,990 --> 00:14:32,240 think they have our pre-programmed to 264 00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:35,000 appear in the sky to do these things and 265 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:40,880 it they may even they may even be drones 266 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:44,350 mmm no I mean the drone you buy and 267 00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:48,020 Walmart I don't mean that I met they may 268 00:14:53,050 --> 00:14:51,920 be pilotless crafts that are run by 269 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:53,060 who-knows-who 270 00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:57,770 and I would not be surprised to see that 271 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:00,800 actually I wouldn't because because 272 00:15:07,330 --> 00:15:02,450 everyone that came through written 273 00:15:10,990 --> 00:15:07,340 exactly the same corner of the same path 274 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:11,000 and changed in exactly the same spot in 275 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:13,340 the sky and they all did the same thing 276 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:17,360 all 11 of them so this sighting that you 277 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:21,440 had caused you a greater interest in the 278 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:24,650 UFO phenomena now can you tell us what 279 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:27,260 extreme paranormal encounter response 280 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:30,740 team is yeah we are a paranormal group 281 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:35,410 and what we do is we will go to homes 282 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:39,730 and investigate the paranormal and take 283 00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,410 well evey EVPs of course and we will do 284 00:15:49,139 --> 00:15:46,959 that and that we have been doing that 285 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:49,149 for quite some time but I'm also a youth 286 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:52,629 ologist and and have turned into a 287 00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:55,689 ufologist since I retired about 10 years 288 00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:01,360 ago and also on our team we have three 289 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:06,279 psychics and we have a Bigfoot 290 00:16:11,369 --> 00:16:09,100 specialist one who has been published 291 00:16:13,050 --> 00:16:11,379 multiple times so we have a quite a 292 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,060 talented team Wow 293 00:16:18,569 --> 00:16:15,519 so Tom you've been even though you 294 00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:18,579 probably got into this in a really 295 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,040 intense way after retired it seems that 296 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:22,959 your interest went way back though 297 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:29,649 yeah from from from a child that there 298 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:32,620 were actual UFOs in the sky that they 299 00:16:38,730 --> 00:16:35,610 were real that we're being visited 300 00:16:40,410 --> 00:16:38,740 don't ask me how because back then there 301 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:40,420 wasn't that kind of information around 302 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:42,730 this was like the early 50s when I was a 303 00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:45,670 child but I always knew that they were 304 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:48,399 real always well of all the people I've 305 00:16:54,929 --> 00:16:51,759 interviewed on the show I have to say at 306 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:54,939 least 95 if not a hundred percent really 307 00:16:59,759 --> 00:16:57,850 became interested as children which 308 00:17:01,949 --> 00:16:59,769 makes me think that perhaps the people 309 00:17:04,529 --> 00:17:01,959 who are that really intense interest 310 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:04,539 were in some way contacted as a child 311 00:17:08,939 --> 00:17:07,030 and like you just knew there was 312 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:08,949 something out there and wanted to know 313 00:17:12,299 --> 00:17:09,850 what it was 314 00:17:14,819 --> 00:17:12,309 so you're in with some very good company 315 00:17:18,929 --> 00:17:14,829 but you also had an aunt Wilma didn't 316 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:18,939 you hit Wilma I admit I had a net Wilma 317 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:24,100 too but she wasn't interested in this I 318 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:26,260 did know a woman named Wilma but let's 319 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:29,640 add a good friend in high school 320 00:17:36,330 --> 00:17:31,929 sometimes we get into the comedy 321 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:36,340 routines but Tom won't you tell us about 322 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:39,190 how your aunt Wilma has sort of effected 323 00:17:49,289 --> 00:17:43,450 your growing up okay 324 00:17:52,619 --> 00:17:49,299 I had always been interested in the sky 325 00:17:55,259 --> 00:17:52,629 and space and whatever came along with 326 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:55,269 that and I found out when I was about 327 00:18:03,830 --> 00:17:58,980 nine years old that my aunt Wilma was 328 00:18:06,749 --> 00:18:03,840 the I believe that she was the secretary 329 00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:06,759 for the astronomical Association of 330 00:18:11,310 --> 00:18:07,720 America Wow 331 00:18:14,879 --> 00:18:11,320 that's pretty hard yeah but this again 332 00:18:16,889 --> 00:18:14,889 this was back in the 50s okay but what a 333 00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:16,899 great source and especially as a woman 334 00:18:26,729 --> 00:18:19,149 that was really unusual back then yeah 335 00:18:28,739 --> 00:18:26,739 so she she realized that I had been 336 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:28,749 trying to absorb all the information 337 00:18:34,499 --> 00:18:31,799 that I possibly could about the sky and 338 00:18:38,419 --> 00:18:34,509 she showed me her publications which 339 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:38,429 were from the astronomical lake and I 340 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:40,840 just ate them up I mean I just loved 341 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:46,570 reading them and so she offered to take 342 00:18:55,349 --> 00:18:51,369 me on a trip with her to a to an annual 343 00:18:59,369 --> 00:18:55,359 conference mm-hmm and we went on that 344 00:19:01,379 --> 00:18:59,379 trip and the people were great they 345 00:19:03,299 --> 00:19:01,389 realized hey this is some kid who was 346 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:03,309 really interested so they were 347 00:19:11,399 --> 00:19:06,609 interested in in me and really helped me 348 00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:11,409 out so it did it was great it was great 349 00:19:18,269 --> 00:19:14,859 being with with everyone and they were 350 00:19:19,499 --> 00:19:18,279 all willing to give me all the 351 00:19:22,889 --> 00:19:19,509 information that they could possibly 352 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:22,899 give me and that's what really really 353 00:19:27,810 --> 00:19:25,480 piqued my interest I mean that that was 354 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:27,820 the number one item right there and not 355 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:29,769 only that but they didn't put it down 356 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:31,330 and say well you're just a ridiculous 357 00:19:39,859 --> 00:19:34,529 child they encouraged you that's using 358 00:19:46,739 --> 00:19:39,869 they absolutely did and that I probably 359 00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:46,749 kept my wishes to learn more all the way 360 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:49,960 through my life and even today I'll I'll 361 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:51,369 take online courses 362 00:19:55,739 --> 00:19:53,529 I mean I'm 70 years old but I'll still 363 00:19:57,989 --> 00:19:55,749 take online courses because I just have 364 00:19:59,849 --> 00:19:57,999 an insatiable desire to learn well 365 00:20:01,739 --> 00:19:59,859 that's wonderful do you think we'll ever 366 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:01,749 find out Tom Cruise I'm up there with 367 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:03,010 you too and you know 368 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:04,660 just annoys me that you spend all this 369 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:08,140 time and just never gonna find out yeah 370 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:11,830 but what do you think well I think that 371 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:14,950 we are right now in the throes of a 372 00:20:20,910 --> 00:20:17,260 disclosure mm-hmm it's happening really 373 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:20,920 slowly but they are trying to get us to 374 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:24,250 think that oh well you know we have lots 375 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:27,490 of planets out there and it's possible 376 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:29,410 and then they talked about a couple of 377 00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:34,170 stars that were they had weird light 378 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:37,360 anomalies around them and they said well 379 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:39,700 you know maybe maybe this is a Dyson 380 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:44,230 Sphere around this star where an 381 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:48,280 extraterrestrial civilization built the 382 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:50,710 structure around the star to absorb all 383 00:20:56,250 --> 00:20:54,070 the energy from it and and you know 384 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:56,260 they're just releasing little tiny bits 385 00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,090 of stuff just to get people to think 386 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:00,640 well okay maybe they are maybe there are 387 00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:04,570 and eventually they will just transition 388 00:21:09,390 --> 00:21:07,480 right into it and people will be coming 389 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:09,400 down from the skies and it'll be just 390 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:10,270 like everyday 391 00:21:14,610 --> 00:21:12,850 well I remember in grade school they 392 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,620 would tell you there is no such thing as 393 00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:16,960 planets outside our solar system I 394 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:20,860 didn't believe them sounds ridiculous to 395 00:21:25,290 --> 00:21:22,810 me but and now you have all these 396 00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:25,300 extrasolar planets and like you say the 397 00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:27,220 Goldilocks zone and all that business 398 00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,120 but maybe and then there's also I know a 399 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:33,280 lot of you follow just have like a 400 00:21:38,850 --> 00:21:36,070 Hollywood type conspiracy like Spielberg 401 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:38,860 was releasing information in a friendly 402 00:21:44,550 --> 00:21:42,040 manner like et to get us used to the 403 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:44,560 idea of a friendly alien race as opposed 404 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:46,630 to some of the more nasty ones are they 405 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:49,030 remember the sci-fi movies of the 50s 406 00:21:57,290 --> 00:21:54,730 that would scare the bad Dickens but now 407 00:22:00,090 --> 00:21:57,300 they're sort of friendly and et ish or 408 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:00,100 advanced and um you know so you're right 409 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:02,170 I think there may be a slow but sure 410 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:05,250 release well what you've been doing here 411 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:09,340 tom is you've been characterizing the 412 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:11,410 different types of sightings and then 413 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:14,830 you've also been sectioning off a 414 00:22:20,629 --> 00:22:16,570 portions of the 415 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,639 United States by state and seeing 416 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:22,720 explaining to us what you've been doing 417 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:24,970 I I see clearly here you have seven 418 00:22:31,019 --> 00:22:28,110 different types of sightings in that are 419 00:22:34,049 --> 00:22:31,029 arkham PI's like cigar that rushed 420 00:22:36,269 --> 00:22:34,059 roughly the shape of a cigar cylindrical 421 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:36,279 with no wings very large and able to 422 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:40,450 hover that would be the number one type 423 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:42,730 that you have characterized that but 424 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:45,730 you've also cut up the us into sections 425 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:47,110 why don't you tell us your methodology 426 00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:53,950 there yeah I I pored over the right way 427 00:23:00,210 --> 00:22:57,059 to go about this for quite some time and 428 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:00,220 the reason was when it when I first 429 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:03,730 started going through all of all of the 430 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:07,450 databases I of course started with my 431 00:23:12,749 --> 00:23:09,610 home state because I wanted to do some 432 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,759 talks about UFOs so I thought well let 433 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:14,320 me try to get some information from here 434 00:23:22,409 --> 00:23:18,820 well it very shortly after starting 435 00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:22,419 reading reading the database that there 436 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:24,340 were about fifty different types of 437 00:23:31,049 --> 00:23:27,730 things seen in the sky fifty now if I 438 00:23:35,009 --> 00:23:31,059 tried to put fifty on a graph it would 439 00:23:38,669 --> 00:23:35,019 look ridiculous so what I did was tried 440 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:38,679 to get the major ones where the most 441 00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:41,350 kinds of sightings were were seen break 442 00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:44,980 it down into seven groups and then I 443 00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:48,220 could create a graph that at least when 444 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:49,990 you look at the graph you're gonna be 445 00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:51,820 able to extract some information from it 446 00:23:57,629 --> 00:23:54,580 I also really realized at that point 447 00:24:00,539 --> 00:23:57,639 even though I did it this way that I 448 00:24:03,930 --> 00:24:00,549 that it's possible that I was gonna have 449 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:03,940 to take one of the seven groups that I 450 00:24:08,639 --> 00:24:06,340 created and break that down even further 451 00:24:12,629 --> 00:24:08,649 I just didn't know what was going to 452 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:12,639 happen so so I broke them down into 453 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:14,860 seven groups put them into these 454 00:24:19,999 --> 00:24:17,500 categories and then created graphs from 455 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:20,009 them and then I was able to compare 456 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:22,990 apples to apples even though there were 457 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:25,000 different types there was same a 458 00:24:30,909 --> 00:24:27,770 quantity of sighting scene 459 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:30,919 and I could say well this is being seen 460 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:33,529 here in this particular area more than 461 00:24:39,399 --> 00:24:37,130 anything else so then maybe I could take 462 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:39,409 one step further why are they being seen 463 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:42,350 here okay but any other that that's just 464 00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:44,990 how I started out it there were so many 465 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:48,020 things to see that I just didn't know 466 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:50,990 what to do I broke them down and there I 467 00:24:57,639 --> 00:24:55,880 had it so after I did my my first book 468 00:25:03,399 --> 00:24:57,649 okay 469 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:03,409 I took some time off thinking there's 470 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:06,230 got to be a better way to give people a 471 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:09,590 pictorial on what's actually being seen 472 00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,370 in the sky so I decided to use a map 473 00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:16,159 with pins in it I didn't realize what I 474 00:25:23,049 --> 00:25:18,620 was getting into oh my goodness well so 475 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:23,059 I had this big US map and I started 476 00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:25,850 putting pins in it with the central US 477 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:29,630 which was my second volume eastern us 478 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:33,049 being the first volume u.s. I'm gonna 479 00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:35,240 stop you for one second and ask you to 480 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:37,220 announce the names of your books and 481 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:39,770 where they're available because we may 482 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:42,110 have people who are listening to this 483 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:44,510 who want to acquire your books which I'm 484 00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:48,590 sure you'll be happy about sure okay my 485 00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:54,350 books are entitled they are here volume 486 00:26:00,340 --> 00:25:57,289 1 and volume 2 so far volume 3 is being 487 00:26:06,490 --> 00:26:00,350 worked on now they are available through 488 00:26:10,029 --> 00:26:06,500 Amazon but if you were to make a request 489 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:10,039 of me directly through my email then I 490 00:26:16,769 --> 00:26:14,240 could sign it and send it to you and I 491 00:26:19,149 --> 00:26:16,779 wouldn't try to as much as Amazon would 492 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:19,159 so you want to give us your email their 493 00:26:26,289 --> 00:26:23,450 weather our listeners okay here it is 494 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:26,299 and and this is confusing listen very 495 00:26:36,299 --> 00:26:33,200 carefully okay okay G t CN wel with a 496 00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:36,309 number two not two hours like my name is 497 00:26:48,430 --> 00:26:40,880 T Co n wel two 498 00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:48,440 uh-huh @n y CA P dot RR calm okay that's 499 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:50,180 a long one we might have to repeat that 500 00:26:54,250 --> 00:26:52,610 again y'all at the end of of being okay 501 00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,260 we'll repeat that again in the name of 502 00:27:01,780 --> 00:26:56,960 the book books the two books going to be 503 00:27:03,670 --> 00:27:01,790 three books before long yep okay so I'm 504 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:03,680 sorry to have interrupted you and I hope 505 00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:05,720 that you will find your space there 506 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:08,060 where we interrupted you and I'm I'm so 507 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:10,610 sorry he was saying the points on the 508 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:12,830 map was the points on the map yes the 509 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:17,390 the the pushpins in the end of the map 510 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:20,210 that you had acquired up the United 511 00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:24,130 States it became very crowded mm-hmm so 512 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:29,240 what he did was I sighed I bought three 513 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:32,600 different types of pins to try to get 514 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:37,310 the ones seen most often I realized that 515 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:39,830 I wasn't going to be able to for seven 516 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,650 different types of pins and also 517 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:44,960 realized very early on that they were 518 00:27:54,910 --> 00:27:46,730 going to be impossible to put all those 519 00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:54,920 pins on the map so I chose three and so 520 00:28:00,160 --> 00:27:57,830 I picked the states that had the fewest 521 00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:00,170 sightings just so I could get a feel for 522 00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:03,080 it like North Dakota and Kansas and 523 00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:06,580 Nebraska and I worked my way down 524 00:28:13,870 --> 00:28:09,920 vertically from North Dakota and by the 525 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:13,880 time I got into Texas then I knew that I 526 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:15,530 was going to have my first really big 527 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:19,850 problem around cities what am I gonna do 528 00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:22,430 with all these little pins around the 529 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:25,400 cities such as Dallas or Houston they're 530 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:27,170 gonna they're just going to take up 531 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:30,950 almost the whole state of Texas so what 532 00:28:39,130 --> 00:28:35,690 I did was I got large pins and the large 533 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:39,140 pins equal 20 small pins so I was able 534 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:43,510 to compress the kind of area that I was 535 00:28:49,620 --> 00:28:46,750 that I was covering in the states and 536 00:28:52,930 --> 00:28:49,630 make it at least still seem reasonable 537 00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:52,940 well that worked out for Texas and it 538 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:54,440 worked out for a few states 539 00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,120 and I started heading back north again 540 00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:00,080 slightly east of that and I had my first 541 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:02,750 problem in st. Louis there were so many 542 00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:06,830 sightings that even with the big pins 543 00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:10,220 they were expanding way out and they're 544 00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:13,429 almost being unreasonable there were so 545 00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:15,470 many of them and I said what am I gonna 546 00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:18,260 do when I get in your Chicago well as I 547 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:21,860 worked my way up I realized that by the 548 00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:24,710 time I got around Chicago I had to put 549 00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:29,960 in about 25 large pins remember each 550 00:29:35,380 --> 00:29:32,630 large pin equal 20 small pins going to 551 00:29:41,049 --> 00:29:35,390 put about 25 big pins that took up a 552 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:41,059 whole lot of coverage in an Illinois and 553 00:29:46,390 --> 00:29:44,450 it covered most of the northern portion 554 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:46,400 of the state oh my goodness 555 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:48,110 where are you where are you getting 556 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,360 these reports from Tom like UFO 557 00:29:54,779 --> 00:29:52,880 organizations or private parties did you 558 00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:54,789 have a number for them to call in on 559 00:29:59,620 --> 00:29:57,620 yeah all from the national UFO Reporting 560 00:30:04,840 --> 00:29:59,630 Center oh that's a good one 561 00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,850 yes it is see still dirt and so that 562 00:30:10,570 --> 00:30:06,559 wasn't even the biggest problem as I 563 00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:10,580 worked toward the east from there I had 564 00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:16,309 my biggest problem in Ohio and Ohio I 565 00:30:21,789 --> 00:30:18,409 it was just totally and completely 566 00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:21,799 covered with pins mm-hmm totally I mean 567 00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:24,380 he missed the state and there's a pretty 568 00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:31,630 big state yes so I was able to at least 569 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:35,990 create this map for my second book okay 570 00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:38,510 well since then I've gone back and 571 00:30:47,049 --> 00:30:43,220 filled in the map for the sightings in 572 00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:47,059 the first book and I will have them and 573 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:50,870 provide those those sightings on a web 574 00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:54,169 page to people who purchase my book cool 575 00:30:58,210 --> 00:30:56,299 you know give them the web address and 576 00:31:03,100 --> 00:30:58,220 then they can go in and look themselves 577 00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:03,110 in full color and the maps will stand 578 00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:06,020 out and they're actually very very 579 00:31:10,169 --> 00:31:07,240 pretty 580 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:10,179 I tried putting them in a 581 00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:12,190 black-and-white format figuring if I 582 00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:14,500 take a really good picture this will 583 00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:17,620 work out fine well it did did not work 584 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:18,340 out fine 585 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:22,000 so that's why I had to go to the to the 586 00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:25,240 web page with full-color maps 587 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:27,820 I like the full-color maps I you sent me 588 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:29,080 some of them and they are really 589 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:32,130 beautiful and you've done an incredible 590 00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:34,690 and incredible you've done yeoman's work 591 00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:37,950 yeah which is this character 592 00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:40,059 characterizing the different types and 593 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:42,820 and put in a lot of a lot of effort and 594 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:46,090 time that you know just can't be 595 00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:48,730 duplicated any other way can you 596 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:51,790 possibly give us some idea of some of 597 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:55,450 your most compelling reports that you've 598 00:32:00,990 --> 00:31:58,690 gotten like say you know maybe from one 599 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:01,000 area the most compelling and maybe a 600 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:03,580 couple from another area which you found 601 00:32:08,299 --> 00:32:05,950 to be the most convincing compelling 602 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:08,309 reports okay 603 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:13,030 the some of the most interesting reports 604 00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:19,210 were out of out of Ohio and there were 605 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:23,980 sightings over top of a nuclear power 606 00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:29,730 plant and this plant was at the far 607 00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:35,080 western edge of Lake Erie and about ten 608 00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:38,440 years ago maybe 10 12 years ago there 609 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:43,300 was an event that almost created this 610 00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:45,610 nuclear power plant to just blow 611 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:50,500 sky-high and after that event there were 612 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:53,590 a tremendous amount of sightings of UFOs 613 00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:55,770 just hovering over top of the plant 614 00:33:03,150 --> 00:32:59,200 that's that's the one that I found the 615 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:03,160 most interesting because apparently the 616 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:05,620 ETS were familiar with what almost 617 00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:08,530 happened and they took a look for 618 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:11,350 themselves thought that was really 619 00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:14,290 unique have you been in contact with 620 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:17,860 Robert Hastings who collects information 621 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:20,950 about UFO sightings around 622 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,390 nuclear power plants no I have not well 623 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:27,720 I think he would be very interested in 624 00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:30,970 the compilations that you have done visa 625 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:34,600 vie Ohio's nuclear power plant there and 626 00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:38,050 the and the almost accident that that 627 00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:41,500 occurred there because he has done a lot 628 00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:46,300 of work about UFO sightings that have 629 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:51,760 shut down nuclear launch places missile 630 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:54,370 launch sites nuclear missile launch 631 00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:57,010 sites so I I think that he would find 632 00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,290 your work really compelling and I think 633 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:01,440 that you should try contacting him 634 00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,010 excellent foucha can you put his name in 635 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:09,280 a email sure sure well do it 636 00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:11,860 excellent okay that some of the others 637 00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:15,460 that I found incidentally just what you 638 00:34:25,409 --> 00:34:17,560 just said some of the other really cool 639 00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:25,419 ones were from northern northern states 640 00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:30,100 like North Dakota and Montana and this 641 00:34:36,330 --> 00:34:33,460 occurred in book two from the central 642 00:34:41,659 --> 00:34:36,340 u.s. there were a lot of accounts of 643 00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:41,669 sightings from military people who saw 644 00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:46,390 UFOs and they were hovering over their 645 00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:48,820 nuclear power plants excuse me over 646 00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:51,540 there over there nuclear weapons and 647 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:55,480 they had gone so far as to actually shut 648 00:35:03,980 --> 00:34:57,570 down the power in some of these places 649 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:03,990 some had even gone in to retarget 650 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:07,240 the intercontinental ballistic missiles 651 00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:10,420 Wow yeah retarget if you can imagine 652 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:15,070 that retarget them so that they were so 653 00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:17,170 that they were sent to a different place 654 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:20,710 and really really incredible stuff 655 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:23,020 really incredibly frightening I might 656 00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:28,030 add oh my yeah that caused it caused 657 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:31,720 severe consternation among the military 658 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,700 elite let me tell you mm-hmm 659 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:37,200 and they sat up and noticed I bet I 660 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:40,569 certainly did when you said that I i sat 661 00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,200 up and noticed right here yeah so you 662 00:35:50,789 --> 00:35:46,720 found those sightings in Ohio compelling 663 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:50,799 and how about in our more local region 664 00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:54,010 that spans between New York New Jersey 665 00:36:00,690 --> 00:35:57,400 and Albany area where you are located 666 00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:00,700 anything compelling in that region yeah 667 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,430 there's one really into actually several 668 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:06,880 very interesting they came from Buffalo 669 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:11,140 area where people would see these 670 00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:13,930 fireballs in the sky and they it looked 671 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:16,390 like that was as they were looking out 672 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:19,240 over Lake Erie it almost looked like 673 00:36:25,049 --> 00:36:22,510 they were lowering themselves towards 674 00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:25,059 the water and then they entered the 675 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:30,790 water oh yeah so and and there's several 676 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:36,510 of those that that I had come across 677 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:41,890 what was interesting there is because 678 00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:45,910 the Buffalo area had so many sightings 679 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:50,920 of these fireballs I couldn't help but 680 00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,930 notice that these ones that were going 681 00:37:04,289 --> 00:36:58,720 in into the water and leaving the water 682 00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,299 by the way were possibly going to their 683 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:06,640 home base I would not be at all 684 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:09,250 surprised that there was a underwater 685 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:12,760 base in one or more of the Great Lakes 686 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:15,910 that's what we would call a USO right 687 00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:18,130 yeah right yeah so I was trying to think 688 00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,660 of the name of the fellow who wrote the 689 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:21,760 book on that I can't I can't place it 690 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:24,460 but yeah that's very common occurrence 691 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:26,770 I'm sure people have asked you about 692 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:29,710 these fireballs if they're you know like 693 00:37:36,089 --> 00:37:32,260 ball lightning or a electromagnetic 694 00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:36,099 phenomenon and do you have any response 695 00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:36,839 to that 696 00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:41,369 yeah as far as the ball lightning goes I 697 00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:44,980 think that they would not be ball 698 00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:46,990 lightning because they wouldn't go 699 00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:47,200 through 700 00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:50,680 the sky in a formation oh okay or change 701 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:52,839 course yeah 702 00:37:59,550 --> 00:37:54,550 change course they'd probably either 703 00:38:01,500 --> 00:37:59,560 just fall or drift mm-hmm and the ones 704 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:01,510 that I saw and ones that are noted 705 00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:07,359 throughout the various states in a 706 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:10,060 national UFO Reporting Center they did 707 00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:13,980 none of those things now were they 708 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:18,430 magnetic in origin they could very well 709 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:21,609 have been severely magnetic and maybe 710 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:23,530 that was part of their propulsion system 711 00:38:29,579 --> 00:38:26,290 hmm I wouldn't be surprised about that 712 00:38:32,250 --> 00:38:29,589 either do you have any reports that they 713 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:32,260 were in low enough altitude actually 714 00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,690 near some of the less commercial 715 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:37,119 airports but still important ones like 716 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:40,060 around Buffalo and Albany and any pilot 717 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:46,210 reports at all of these really what I 718 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:50,609 did when I went through the the 719 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:55,210 sightings I made notes for the ones that 720 00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:57,010 I thought were probably the most 721 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:00,540 interesting the ones that were seen by 722 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:03,010 professional people the ones that were 723 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:05,530 seen by pilots the ones that were seen 724 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:08,050 by military people hmm the ones that was 725 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:10,990 seen by police oh and these are the ones 726 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:17,170 that are mostly sewn with it my my book 727 00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:19,569 Volume one and volume two because these 728 00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:20,740 are the ones that are the most 729 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:26,500 believable right well yeah it was all 730 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:31,690 right thanks Bill Carl find Fei NDT was 731 00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,170 the name of the author of us OS great 732 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:38,560 book if you're interested in it but I 733 00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:40,020 would the reason I asked you about the 734 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:42,460 sort of the ball lightning electrical 735 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:44,770 phenomena things with the pilot said 736 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:46,390 they noticed any change in their 737 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:49,000 instrumentation while these things were 738 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:50,970 close by their craft 739 00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,530 I guess not none that they reported yeah 740 00:40:02,240 --> 00:39:58,680 yeah 741 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:02,250 now it's possible that one or two of 742 00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,750 them had some something happen that they 743 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:08,960 would rather not say out loud yeah 744 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:12,300 because you know you know you have 150 745 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:14,370 people in the sky you don't want to be 746 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:17,250 yeah saying I lost all my 747 00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:20,970 instrumentation you know so I can sort 748 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:36,560 accounts being similar to what happened 749 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:40,650 in Iran with with the one pilot who 750 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,230 approached the UFO and everything went 751 00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:45,660 dead on them right right in the Leslie 752 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:48,030 Kane book yes yeah 753 00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:53,010 and I don't think that very many 754 00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,350 sightings like that are happening 755 00:41:03,380 --> 00:40:58,800 because I think that people realize I 756 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:03,390 can't be approaching these things in the 757 00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:08,850 sky with my weapons loaded and things 758 00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:11,820 like that so they they pretty much stay 759 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,670 to themselves as long as we don't 760 00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,740 approach them and force the issue right 761 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:18,960 and I think that fellows name was Jafari 762 00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:21,990 am i right yes something like that if 763 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:26,100 not I can't remember which but yes 764 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,930 Jafari yeah couldn't recall his name 765 00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:28,880 thank you 766 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:32,760 well so at this point you're you're 767 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:36,210 compiling your third group of sightings 768 00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,970 what what if anything and I'm not saying 769 00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:40,380 that you had to do this but what if 770 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:41,670 anything have you done about have you 771 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:45,090 met some of the people who have reported 772 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,530 these sightings even locally oh yes yes 773 00:41:55,610 --> 00:41:52,560 one in particular told me about a 774 00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:55,620 sighting that that she had I just 775 00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:58,770 thought it was just so fascinating the 776 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:01,740 types of sightings are you know discs 777 00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,710 and and whatever else but this lady said 778 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:07,440 that she saw something that reminded her 779 00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:11,610 of a great big shoebox 780 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:15,780 haha rectangular huh how the heck does 781 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:18,090 this thing fly you know a great big long 782 00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,010 rectangular thing it was about a mile 783 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:22,920 and a half long and went directly over 784 00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:26,490 her car at a slightly to slightly above 785 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:30,030 treetop level it was a mile and a half 786 00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,090 long yeah and she had a wonderful view 787 00:42:42,830 --> 00:42:35,760 of this whole thing and as the as this 788 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:42,840 thing was was nearing its its its its 789 00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:46,530 its end as from her viewpoint on the 790 00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:50,340 backside of them there was there was 791 00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:52,140 another there was an angle that that 792 00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:55,800 popped out at at 90 degrees that went 793 00:43:01,160 --> 00:42:57,870 out maybe another couple hundred yards 794 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:01,170 Wow so it was like elda shaped like an L 795 00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:08,310 Wow that's what I was going to say like 796 00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:12,270 uh and and and I'm sure she was a very 797 00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:17,100 credible witness and she was very more 798 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:18,660 than willing to talk about it and 799 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:20,970 describe it and ask you if you thought 800 00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:21,510 what 801 00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:30,000 the in the national UFO Reporting Center 802 00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:33,720 if you want to spend a couple of a 803 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:35,700 couple of months of your life reading 804 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:40,170 the reports you will come across some of 805 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:43,230 those like that yeah 806 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:45,510 yeah you do there was one I think up in 807 00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:47,730 Alaska quite a while ago the same thing 808 00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:51,840 like a large box shaped object and you 809 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:54,500 wonder just really how that how that is 810 00:43:59,810 --> 00:43:57,210 aerodynamically working it's yes it's 811 00:44:01,850 --> 00:43:59,820 not yeah not not in our present level of 812 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:01,860 understanding no it'sit's it's so 813 00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:02,970 strange 814 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,820 George filer had a theory about that he 815 00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,640 thought that maybe these were all sort 816 00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:11,520 of like dirigible dirigible am i 817 00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,760 pronouncing that right yeah and that the 818 00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:17,460 military was sort of experimenting with 819 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:21,180 various types of them and possibly 820 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,650 that's it because I can't think of 821 00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:25,200 anything else or there 822 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:28,500 from another world another dimension of 823 00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:30,690 space and time there's no other planets 824 00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,120 you know that oh boy I never believed 825 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:35,940 that I I always got in trouble as a 826 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,240 Grammar School student because I had a 827 00:44:44,090 --> 00:44:42,480 science fiction mind he was Apple Tom 828 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:44,100 you were lucky you had your aunt Wilma 829 00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:47,250 the rest of us the rest of us just got 830 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:50,100 sent to our room and stop talking 831 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:54,270 nonsense you know me well my father also 832 00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:57,810 believed believed in UFOs I mean he 833 00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:00,150 believed in the existence of UFOs he 834 00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:03,120 believed that they did exist and he 835 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:06,630 actually built a sculpture which was an 836 00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:10,010 instrument to contact alien 837 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:13,070 intelligences and he felt that if he 838 00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:17,850 vibrated a copper basic shapes this 839 00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:22,020 sculpture is a is a wooden board and on 840 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,230 it is mounted a copper wires and then 841 00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:28,560 flat copper basic what is it called 842 00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:34,700 platonic shapes square circle triangle 843 00:45:42,590 --> 00:45:39,870 maybe six sided figure I forget what the 844 00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:42,600 other one was and he would hit them with 845 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:47,070 a mallet alternative alternately and he 846 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:50,610 felt that that might be a kind of basic 847 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:54,330 language vibrating those shapes out to 848 00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:57,180 the the UFOs it sounds a little bit 849 00:46:03,500 --> 00:45:59,670 nutty on one hand but he was trying and 850 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:03,510 he was sincere and interested and so was 851 00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:05,940 he successful that's well he thinks he 852 00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,660 was I don't really ya know he was he was 853 00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,520 really eager in that regard well look at 854 00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:13,500 Tesla Tesla was convinced that we were 855 00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:16,830 getting messages from a maybe or he 856 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:18,750 thought Mars but you know definitely not 857 00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:20,130 from this planet oh we're getting 858 00:46:25,310 --> 00:46:22,380 messages all right I'm getting some too 859 00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:25,320 okay so anyway I would get we get far 860 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:29,580 afield sorry tom sorry Tom yes so where 861 00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:32,010 where are we going with this next I mean 862 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:36,630 what is is your your next step here okay 863 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:38,570 I tell you what I noticed in 864 00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:43,480 to that I never expected yeah I I 865 00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:48,560 changed what I did in vol 1 so that I 866 00:46:59,620 --> 00:46:55,750 would include the questions that were 867 00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:59,630 posed to me during abduction interviews 868 00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:00,500 ah 869 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:08,420 and what these questions were were were 870 00:47:17,170 --> 00:47:11,810 was I given the message and what what 871 00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:17,180 did this message consists of and so I I 872 00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:21,350 seem to have come to find out that the 873 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:24,110 message messages that that people were 874 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:27,430 getting were directly related to the 875 00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:31,400 condition of our planet in other words 876 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:35,240 are we polluting that kind of condition 877 00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:41,210 so I went from that premise and expanded 878 00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:41,990 it way out 879 00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:46,600 so for each particular state I looked at 880 00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:55,460 well is there is there some dumping 881 00:48:02,080 --> 00:47:57,590 that's going on in that particular state 882 00:48:08,410 --> 00:48:02,090 that shouldn't be oh yeah well what is 883 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:08,420 the air like in this state are they 884 00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:12,650 cutting corners what about oil spills 885 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:18,590 mm-hmm millions of gallons of dumping 886 00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:24,050 from fracking oh boy yeah and then also 887 00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:27,500 added to the to our atmosphere is fossil 888 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:31,700 fuels well of course we're burning 889 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:35,570 gasoline but the majority of the plants 890 00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:39,010 in the central us are coal burning 891 00:48:48,130 --> 00:48:43,400 mm-hmm and even though coal can be made 892 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:48,140 to be cleaner most most companies don't 893 00:48:54,609 --> 00:48:52,490 really take that extra step because it's 894 00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:54,619 very very expensive so they just dumped 895 00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:59,119 into the air then what about Air Force 896 00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:00,740 bases because there's a whole lot of 897 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:03,380 sightings around Air Force bases so I 898 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:06,890 made notes within the book of every 899 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:09,290 state that if there were Air Force bases 900 00:49:17,950 --> 00:49:12,490 I want to make note of that sure and 901 00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:17,960 then I also noticed that the Native 902 00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:21,369 Americans had something to do with 903 00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:26,180 contacting what they thought were their 904 00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:27,619 gods from the skies 905 00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:31,580 stops no yes yeah so I looked into every 906 00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:34,670 single state what Indians settled there 907 00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:42,080 and if they had any any stories of 908 00:49:51,850 --> 00:49:48,110 ancient gods well I came across one up 909 00:50:02,250 --> 00:49:51,860 in the Upper Lake Michigan area 910 00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:02,260 a it was called the seven fires prophecy 911 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:07,400 look that one up because the seven fires 912 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:12,410 prophecy has all come true and the 913 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:15,609 seventh fire which we are in right now 914 00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:21,650 the seventh fire may relate to the fact 915 00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:25,820 that we are polluting our planet badly 916 00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,760 and that the planet is due for a reset 917 00:50:34,510 --> 00:50:31,280 yeah I think I think we're in the midst 918 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:34,520 of the fifth great extinction on this 919 00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:38,500 planet and we're losing a lot of species 920 00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,720 etc when it's really not necessary when 921 00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:44,480 we could have a wind power and solar 922 00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,320 power powering a lot of our things we 923 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:51,440 had at on our episode number 40 924 00:50:59,530 --> 00:50:55,490 dr. rd6 killer Clarke who reported on a 925 00:51:03,730 --> 00:50:59,540 lot of the Native American stories about 926 00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:03,740 star people and both today on the 927 00:51:06,099 --> 00:51:05,780 reservation and off the reservation so 928 00:51:08,589 --> 00:51:06,109 that's 929 00:51:11,229 --> 00:51:08,599 another connection for you regarding 930 00:51:16,109 --> 00:51:11,239 that but yeah I thought I think that a 931 00:51:18,430 --> 00:51:16,119 lot of the a lot of the contactees 932 00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:18,440 particularly and the abductees to a 933 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:22,460 lesser extent get the ecological message 934 00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:26,690 from the beings from from from wherever 935 00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:28,430 they're from I want to say from space 936 00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,680 but we don't really know if they're from 937 00:51:36,759 --> 00:51:32,960 space or elsewhere or whether they're 938 00:51:38,859 --> 00:51:36,769 from a different a different dimensional 939 00:51:41,529 --> 00:51:38,869 plane and may live here on the earth 940 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:41,539 with us and that would make a lot of 941 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:44,390 sense if they're concerned about the 942 00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:51,430 ecology of the earth sure what sure I 943 00:51:57,700 --> 00:51:55,369 had my eyes open when I did the research 944 00:51:59,710 --> 00:51:57,710 for this book let me tell you because I 945 00:52:04,089 --> 00:51:59,720 never expected to find the things that I 946 00:52:08,049 --> 00:52:04,099 found with the ancient gods and the 947 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:08,059 stories of the Indians that were exactly 948 00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:10,970 coincidental with the ancient Sumerians 949 00:52:21,009 --> 00:52:15,470 and the Egyptians and the the Dogon 950 00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:21,019 tribe and tribes in Australia and South 951 00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:24,349 America all happening right around the 952 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:26,630 same time which was after the Second 953 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:29,690 Great Flood hmm that's that's a very 954 00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:34,249 that's a really good that's good that 955 00:52:36,779 --> 00:52:35,720 you put those two together that's 956 00:52:41,229 --> 00:52:36,789 excellent 957 00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:41,239 yeah it shocked me it really did yeah he 958 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:45,950 shocked me and if you know dr. Rita 959 00:52:49,299 --> 00:52:47,690 Louise I don't know if you know yes I I 960 00:52:51,999 --> 00:52:49,309 don't know her personally but I 961 00:52:54,339 --> 00:52:52,009 certainly know of her yes we have talked 962 00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:54,349 at great length about lots of different 963 00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,950 things and she helped me to draw some of 964 00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:00,559 the parallels that I was able to do at 965 00:53:09,339 --> 00:53:06,200 the end of volume 2 okay and it's really 966 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,349 eye-opening I can't even believe that I 967 00:53:14,229 --> 00:53:11,440 found this information on my own and 968 00:53:15,759 --> 00:53:14,239 started asking questions about it and I 969 00:53:17,350 --> 00:53:15,769 can't believe that she helped me as much 970 00:53:20,260 --> 00:53:17,360 as she did it was wonderful 971 00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:20,270 it was just wonderful well one thing 972 00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:23,510 that I found out recently which blew my 973 00:53:30,310 --> 00:53:26,180 socks off a little bit was that a 974 00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:30,320 researcher about this with his second 975 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:31,880 great flood that you was speaking of 976 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:37,930 that ended the last ice age and about 977 00:53:47,410 --> 00:53:43,250 9,000 70 or so BC is the closest they 978 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:47,420 can come to it that the ice of the last 979 00:53:54,070 --> 00:53:50,330 great Ice Age ended in about two weeks 980 00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:54,080 time that the the climate of the planet 981 00:53:59,730 --> 00:53:57,410 totally changed in two weeks time so 982 00:54:03,790 --> 00:53:59,740 that that would be a real wake-up call 983 00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:03,800 to us here on earth if something like 984 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:07,520 that were to happen again had nothing to 985 00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:09,530 do with pollution obviously no no that 986 00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:10,910 time it didn't have nothing to do with 987 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:14,240 pollution but nonetheless it did and it 988 00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:18,410 ended it is summize over a coronal mass 989 00:54:25,810 --> 00:54:22,430 ejection of great proportion like we 990 00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,820 have never seen in ten thousand years 991 00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:28,640 ten ten thousand years now that we are 992 00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:33,350 in a time now of relative solar quiet 993 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:37,550 which can proceeds big outbursts from 994 00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:40,970 the Sun which could knock out all our 995 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:42,440 internet and all that stuff and then 996 00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:43,910 there'd be no more shattered reality 997 00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:47,270 podcast for a while from ever we could 998 00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:50,060 always write it by hand and mail it no 999 00:54:55,870 --> 00:54:52,340 no not even mail it no no 1000 00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:55,880 so um but but we keep forgetting to ask 1001 00:55:01,090 --> 00:54:58,190 Tom the name of his book yeah we want to 1002 00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:01,100 repeat before before we say goodbye not 1003 00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:03,500 immediately but shortly we do want you 1004 00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:06,500 to repeat the names of your books and 1005 00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:09,140 where they can get them and your all 1006 00:55:18,730 --> 00:55:14,300 your various and sundry info there okay 1007 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:18,740 Mike well the book is entitled they are 1008 00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:24,290 here volume 1 and volume 2 so far volume 1009 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:26,030 3 is going to be out shortly 1010 00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:34,950 it is available through Amazon okay it 1011 00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:38,860 is also available if you were to email 1012 00:55:47,730 --> 00:55:45,180 me directly and I will give it to you at 1013 00:55:52,860 --> 00:55:47,740 significantly reduced price plus I'll 1014 00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:52,870 also sign it for you now you can contact 1015 00:56:01,920 --> 00:55:58,000 me through Facebook was one way my my 1016 00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:01,930 address on Facebook is Tom dot con well 1017 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:06,100 dot three if you look that up you you're 1018 00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:08,410 gonna see me and see all my my 1019 00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:11,350 information there and you can contact me 1020 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:14,710 through Facebook author Thomas author 1021 00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:17,950 Thomas Conwell is an is my author page 1022 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:21,990 on Facebook and my email address is 1023 00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:24,570 listen carefully okay 1024 00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:32,230 Co n wel to my last name is LL okay but 1025 00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:36,510 this is not my email addresses T Co n 1026 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:45,550 wel to @n y CA P dot RR dot com okay 1027 00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:49,170 what does C PA that's your a group the 1028 00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:53,230 phenomenal expert the expert group yeah 1029 00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:56,220 you want to say research group that you 1030 00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:00,940 know the NYC ap the New York capital 1031 00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:06,040 that's a Oh a Time Warner address oh 1032 00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:12,700 okay okay sorry so um so you obviously 1033 00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:14,800 put a lot of time and effort and 1034 00:57:20,790 --> 00:57:18,910 research into these books yeah when I 1035 00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:20,800 wrote my first book I didn't expect to 1036 00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:23,230 write a book I was just looking to get 1037 00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:26,020 some information so that I could go out 1038 00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:28,150 and do talks 1039 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:30,100 mm-hm I just I enjoy that the most 1040 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:33,730 mm-hmm and I got so much information 1041 00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:36,610 together and found out such cool stuff 1042 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:39,670 that I had to put it in a book for him 1043 00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:42,490 okay so I did I didn't think it through 1044 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:43,510 his throat 1045 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:46,330 probably sort of because once I did vol 1046 00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:49,210 2 that's when I got all that other 1047 00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:53,380 information in there about pollution and 1048 00:57:59,250 --> 00:57:56,440 about Native Americans and I did the map 1049 00:58:01,620 --> 00:57:59,260 I'm in the process now doing the map for 1050 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:01,630 volume 1 and putting that on my webpage 1051 00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:05,220 which I will give to anyone who 1052 00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:09,940 purchases my book yeah so at least you 1053 00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:11,740 could be an aunt rumor to some young 1054 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:16,360 feller girl coming up in the field I can 1055 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:19,330 only hope yeah that would be great so we 1056 00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:21,070 want to thank you so much for being with 1057 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:25,480 us today Tom and your work sounds just 1058 00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:28,930 very interesting and very intense and we 1059 00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,020 hope you keep up the the struggle here 1060 00:58:36,990 --> 00:58:34,480 to get it all categorized and so forth 1061 00:58:40,770 --> 00:58:37,000 and we look forward to speaking to you 1062 00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:40,780 again yeah thank you very much I would 1063 00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,600 love to be on your show again also I'd 1064 00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:46,720 like for you to consider talking to 1065 00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:51,100 Cheryl hosta Cheryl is doing a similar 1066 00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:54,190 kind of research that I'm doing and we 1067 00:59:00,030 --> 00:58:57,820 actually found each other because we of 1068 00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:00,040 something that she published that I had 1069 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:02,350 seen hey I'm doing that too you know we 1070 00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:03,850 struck up a friendship and you're both 1071 00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:05,500 in New York State so what could be 1072 00:59:14,610 --> 00:59:11,380 better yes she is she is I I am friends 1073 00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:14,620 with her on Facebook and I have sent you 1074 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:17,980 a friend request as well and and as long 1075 00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:20,170 as we're talking about Facebook I would 1076 00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:23,710 like all our listeners to get on 1077 00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:27,220 facebook and like shattered reality 1078 00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:31,030 podcast just put those words in we're 1079 00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:33,190 the only ones on Facebook that are 1080 00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:38,740 shattered reality podcast okay so we're 1081 00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:41,190 going to wish you a fond farewell 1082 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:45,880 temporary but necessary and take care 1083 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:48,220 now Tom yeah thanks again Tom thank you 1084 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:50,170 okay thank thank you for everything 1085 01:00:02,480 --> 00:59:59,540 so here we are mm-hmm shattered reality 1086 01:00:04,790 --> 01:00:02,490 once again yeah I just hoped for Tom and 1087 01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:04,800 for both of us that one day we do find 1088 01:00:10,610 --> 01:00:08,190 out who they are I certainly would come 1089 01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:10,620 on you know really it's getting annoying 1090 01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,230 no I mean so like you know you're flying 1091 01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,780 around forever so pop up let us know say 1092 01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:18,720 hi you know something Kate and I have to 1093 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:20,460 tell you something you need to be 1094 01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:22,770 careful of what you wish for since we 1095 01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:25,320 had an EVP last time your watch Street 1096 01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:27,180 oh and you know you're gonna be driving 1097 01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:29,070 in a car and you're gonna do look to 1098 01:00:33,070 --> 01:00:31,590 your right and there's guys gonna be 1099 01:00:34,610 --> 01:00:33,080 sitting right next to you and the 1100 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:34,620 nightmare actually 1101 01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:37,530 oh yeah in the backseat though in the 1102 01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:39,000 backseat and I see it in the rearview 1103 01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:41,160 mirror it's just a nice person sitting 1104 01:00:52,310 --> 01:00:50,670 there yes no monster but that's okay 1105 01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,320 but you're right I do drive through some 1106 01:00:56,810 --> 01:00:54,660 pretty dark areas on the way home so we 1107 01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:56,820 you have to be careful for what you wish 1108 01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:00,900 for we all want to see a UFO we don't 1109 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:03,420 necessarily all want to get inside one 1110 01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:05,370 no not unless we're with a group of 1111 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:07,980 friends well even then they separate you 1112 01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:12,210 when you come on anyway what we would 1113 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:17,150 like to announce is that on May 20th 1114 01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:21,930 2017 we hope to see you and do the drum 1115 01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:28,080 roll okay we hope to see you at the Pine 1116 01:01:34,850 --> 01:01:32,760 Bush UFO phenomena festival first of all 1117 01:01:36,410 --> 01:01:34,860 what's a phenomenon it is a phenomena 1118 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:36,420 and it's if you haven't been there go 1119 01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:38,610 it's just a lot of fun yeah oh he is and 1120 01:01:42,590 --> 01:01:40,920 you know good luck parking but it did 1121 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:42,600 set many people there and it's just 1122 01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:44,370 really interesting and fun and they have 1123 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:46,830 good food they have nice food there's 1124 01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:51,570 also the Flying Saucer diner up yeah and 1125 01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:53,880 then they have the UFO patrol car that 1126 01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,830 was good that was all excellent and 1127 01:02:01,100 --> 01:01:57,900 people dressed in costume so basically 1128 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:01,110 what the breakdown is is the daytime at 1129 01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:04,890 the festival is generally family fun and 1130 01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:08,760 there are some speakers that 1131 01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:11,760 speak short gives short presentations 1132 01:02:17,110 --> 01:02:14,580 and then at night there are the very 1133 01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,120 serious researchers at the high school 1134 01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:19,680 and we're going to be there and we're 1135 01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:21,870 going to be talking to people asking 1136 01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:25,500 questions maybe giving a little talk 1137 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:28,740 ourselves and recording the responses of 1138 01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:32,490 our listeners so come on up there 1139 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:36,150 talk to us May 20th Pine Bush New York 1140 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:38,190 if you're anywhere in the area 1141 01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:41,610 whatsoever it is a fun day out and 1142 01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:44,190 especially if you're interested in the 1143 01:02:49,850 --> 01:02:46,980 UFO phenomena in addition there are some 1144 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:49,860 people who are general paranormalists I 1145 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:52,890 would say into EVPs and stuff like that 1146 01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:55,890 yeah anti-bush what is or was at least a 1147 01:03:00,050 --> 01:02:58,410 real hot spot for UFOs at one time yes 1148 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:00,060 it was it was like all the triangles 1149 01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:02,490 seemed to be coming from there yeah yeah 1150 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:04,830 during the triangle sightings the Hudson 1151 01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:08,610 Valley triangle sightings yeah laughs 1152 01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:11,220 yeah and we're kind of waiting for a new 1153 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:15,270 flap to begin yeah come on okay all 1154 01:03:20,050 --> 01:03:17,610 right okay well I guess that concludes 1155 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:20,060 yet another wonderful session of